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Table 2 Extract from transcript of audio-recording of IFR panel meeting about Jane’s case of breast reduction (site B)

From: ‘Cosmetic boob jobs’ or evidence-based breast surgery: an interpretive policy analysis of the rationing of ‘low value’ treatments in the English National Health Service

Speaker

Spoken words

Chair

Moving on to this case which is breast reduction, for back ache, we haven’t really… (inaudible)

CPH

How old is she? (pause whilst members look through papers including a report from a physiotherapist and a letter from the patient in support of her application)

ADPH

The physio report, doesn’t actually recommend, or what it says is that patient has responded partially [to

Chair

partially]

ADPH

the rehab programme and has been discharged.

Chair

mmm

ADPH

she needs a good bra

GP

I mean I think her letter actually says very much more [than

ADPH

yes] exactly

GP

anything, now it’s a question of whether, you know, she’s not had a relationship, she feels embarrassed, there’s obviously a psychological=

ADPH

hardly (inaudible) 38DD=

GP

=well if she is 4 foot 11 and quite a petite [frame

ADPH

what’s her] BMI?

GP

then that could well be large. And the fact that she has had three children will make them much more pendulous anyway so I could accept that she says they hang to her stomach and all the rest of it.

Chair:

I think the main thing here is that she hasn’t been referred, she doesn’t appear to have been referred to an orthopedic surgeon [or

GP

breast] reduction, well

Chair

to get a second clinical opinion. We’ve got the GP’s opinion but she hasn’t had any MRIs or anything like that. We don’t know what the other potential factors could be.

GP

I don’t know that an MRI would help to be honest. I think there are much more psychological issues with this lady than (.) the backache is to be honest neither here nor there. I am actually more concerned about the fact that she is withdrawing, she can’t pick up her child, she feels embarrassed to have an intimate relationship, umm

ADPH

She’s got a very young child, a 2 year old

GP

She’s got very young children, and I think [that’s

ADPH

yeah]

GP

that’s making her exceptional personally and I would say, I would approve then

Pharmacist

(inaudible)

GP

I mean the only thing I could check is what her BMI is=

ADPH

=I think that’s the only thing I wanted

GP

whether there is a, you know, if she was a BMI of 40 then maybe losing=

Pharmacist

weight

GP

weight would actually make them less heavy but she might still need a procedure to make [them

ADPH

I think] in principle we would agree but I mean I also want to know what her BMI is though

  1. GP = general practitioner. ADPH = Assistant Director of Public Health. CPH = Consultant in Public Health.
  2. Transcribing conventions: = no pause between speakers; [ onset of overlapping speech; ] end of overlapping talk.